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Robots are coming for your Jobs we need UBI.

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#1 Lyte

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 07:28 AM

While I don't think this is going to be a pressing issue this decade, we need to start to thinking about how to take care of the populace.

 

I'm thinking we will need to transition to a UBI(Universal Basic Income).

UBI would provide enough money for food, shelter, clothing and utilities. this money would be given to all peoples.

 

I would argue that this should replace all other social safety nets to save on overhead costs.

I argue that this could be paid with corporate tax and income tax on those earning additional wages.
There would need be changes made in how corporations are treated when using tax avoidance.

 

 

What are your views on something like UBI?
Does this give too much power to government?

 

I understand that this is a complex economic issue started with a very simple post but want to hear your thoughts and reasons for and against UBI.

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#2 LiLaLolibear

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 11:04 AM

UBI would def cut down on bureaucracy needed for social welfare. It would also mean less stress for people ON social welfare, which would be a godsend for people weak to stress.

 

Also, I can see my job being taken by a robot. It would be much more efficient at being a Hikki-NEET.

 

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#3 Mizule

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 08:15 PM

If everyone's job is being replaced by robots or they are quitting their terrible jobs because they get paid more for doing nothing, how are they getting the tax money to pay for a basic income?



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:55 PM

I argue that this could be paid with corporate tax and income tax on those earning additional wages.

There would need be changes made in how corporations are treated when using tax avoidance.

 

Well, we know from the tax cuts in the 60s that 1. tax cuts really DO spark economics, and 2. tax loop-holes are actually a product of a high corporate tax rate, so reducing the corporate tax rate allows you to close those loop-holes as well and thus actually bring in more in taxes since closing those loop-holes even with a lower tax rate actually RAISES the taxes on those big mega corporations while easing the burdens on little start-ups.

 

So, indeed, I do think a corporate tax rate can easily cover a UBI. I also think maybe there should be a higher tax rate on corporations that use a lot of automation, and 100% of that automation tax could be used to cover part of the UBI (Or maybe even all of it if this section of the tax code proves to be surprisingly lucrative.)

 

This is a discussion that is actually in the works right now. It has been proposed by people on the right several times in the past as a solution to the social safety net problem, and opposed by those on the left specifically because they get spooked by the idea of using the UBI to roll back the social safety net. (I really don't get it on that one, the UBI sounds like a right fine replacement of the social safety net to me.) At any rate, the advent of automation has renewed that conversation, and as automation becomes more prevalent I think we will see more and more movement on capital hill on this subject.

 

(Also, my job in nursing is at zero threat for being replaced with automation. My job will be dead last for automation. If a robot puts me out of a job, we have already hit that post-scarcity utopia where no-one has to work.)

 

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If everyone's job is being replaced by robots or they are quitting their terrible jobs because they get paid more for doing nothing, how are they getting the tax money to pay for a basic income?

 

Corporate tax rate means you are taxing companies, not workers. In other words, you are taxing the companies that are using the robots, thus you still take in tax revenue. 


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#5 Erundil

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 10:56 PM

Utopia. That's how I see it.
So far I'm used to the fact that the government is getting rich at the expense of the populace. I don't see how the money could magically start flowing in the opposite direction.

If you want me to answer - quote my post in yours.

I'm sorry, but I have an opinion on your opinion.



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